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Saturday, May 07, 2011

80 後90後之我見

最近有一位八十後的同事跟我辭職。 當他把辭職信X到我面前時,我問他: “你才上班三個星期就辭職?” 他冷冷地說:"我已經犧牲了很多!"當時我嚇一跳:"才三個星期,你犧牲了什麼?"他繼續冷冷地說,"你每個星期六日都要我幫公司UPDATE FACEBOOK!"聽他的語氣,我這個要求好像令他受了好大的委屈,"UPDATE FACEBOOK很簡單,幾句文字就已經夠了。。"我未說完,他兩眼好像會放飛箭地說:"那我都要坐在電腦面前做的!
當然,他對我和對公司的控訴不只以上一個,又譬如說,我限他時間交計劃書都是我錯,因為這個令他壓力好大, 云云。

這個就是八十後的工作態度。

你要走,我不留你。是我對他的總結。

不知道是不是在八十九十後出生的小朋友,家庭環境都比較富翁,從小就有好的照顧,他們做人做事,事事都由自己出發。在他們世界裡,自己就是世界的全部,打工就只是一份工,他們不會把它看成是一個前途,當然更不會理會公司對他的X培。他們願意付出的很少,卻要求很大的回報,譬如說:買樓。

如果以我這兩年接觸過的八九十後的人的水平來說,莫說買樓,我不客氣地說:他們根本連拿一萬元人工都不配。更何況買樓?

上一代的香港人都很刻苦,很耐勞。可惜,二三十年後的香港新一代卻好逸惡勞,意志薄弱,不知所謂。這一篇文章,我不是要大罵八十後九十後多無能,而是希望跟他們可以反省一下自己的問題,繼續下去,你們真的連搵餐食都會成問題,更不要說買樓了。你們有沒有讀過 "世界是平的"那本書? 有沒有讀到大陸最新出的城市競爭力報告?如果沒有,好快快去看一看!

任何年代,要成功,都要付出。這句說話人人都聽過,但我認為真正明白的人卻不多。成功得來的喜悅好大,但為成功而需要付出的淚水,其實往往比得到的喜悅更多。

成功是一個很BITTER的過程。它是一個好艱苦的道路,非大智大勇,非能承受痛苦,壓力,孤獨的人不能走過的。

成功是首要刻苦。7點鐘一定要放工,星期六日要用半小時做FACEBOOK UPDATE都不成的,第一輪已經OUT了。一個事業人生有一點成績的人,沒有星期六日非放假不可的道理,只要這個工作長遠是有回報的,工作長一點有什麼問題?

堅強,是第二個條件。人生也好,工作也好,做錯的次數,不如意的事肯定比開心,勝利的多。這個可以說是必然的。堅強就是,即是屢戰屢敗,亦要屢敗屢戰。

優秀的人就是能夠從失敗中爬起來,繼續向前。能走到終點,光榮和勝利就在那裡等着你。

八十九十後的一代,在我看,最致命的是沒有耐性,沒有耐力。只要一不順心,
很快就放棄。可能他們都沒有讀過歷史,歷史告訴我一個事實:不管多困難,只要堅持下去,就一定會有希望的。

戰爭的勝負往往就決定於那 "再堅持一下"的努力之中。

在香港,我們不用沒有戰爭,但它卻是無形的存在,在學校裡,在商場裡,在社會裡,在你的人生裡。。。我們每一個人都是戰士,天天都在跟不同的人在打仗在角力,沒有堅定的意志和驚人的耐力,你永遠都一定是失敗者。

28 Comments:

Blogger 霸王海明 said...

在妳interview下一位時應徵者時,要他(她)先讀這篇文章,並簽名記錄。

5:32 AM  
Blogger David said...

Those born after 80 and 90 are really Lucky.......

They do not have worry about any financial matters. All they care is how to enjoy their lifes......

When I was in high school in Hong Kong, I had to work every summer holiday.

When I first arrived in Canada, I started as a busboy. I had to work three jobs at the same time to secure myself in this foreign land.

World has changed, the younger generation assume the advanced technology can solve all their problems.

If they cannot achieve anything, they just blame other people, they never ask themselves!!!!!!!

5:39 AM  
Blogger David said...

Hot, Flat, and Crowded Release 2.0(2009) by Thomas L. Friedman is an excellent book.

The author already pointed out China will be the No. 1 in ecomonic development in The world is Flat (2005).

Sharon, you should ask your junior staff to read one of the above book and give you a book report before they can pass their probation period.

5:49 AM  
Blogger Alvin said...

不單只香港﹐其實歐美新一代很多都有這種不希望付出太多但又想分享其他人成果的心態。

6:33 AM  
Blogger Mikhail said...

Dear Ms Cheung,

I agree, but not all post 80s or 90s are like that. I know many post 80s doctors, lawyers, bank investors who work and sweat day and night, accepting hardship as part of life, as their parents did.

These youngsters will succeed, all because they have the right attitude and put in effort. The staff whom you fired belongs to another group of youngsters who are simply lazy. They deserve to stay at the bottom of the social pile.

Mikhail

7:15 AM  
Blogger alvin said...

妳面試時有無講低這些工作時數先?

一封八十後遞辭職信就鬧曬所有年青人,真的很質疑你的批評是不是中肯。

10:31 AM  
Blogger phoebe said...

Actually you can prove read your Chinese before posting.. And between, not all 80s are like that..

11:51 AM  
Blogger hiuching2222 said...

I want to said, I born after 80,this is only your case. I am a really hard working person, all my boss love me, but every time, I want to change job or get in a better company, the first thing always ask, are you sure you can handle this job, are you sure OT is ok for you. I just want to ask you, why don't you give me the chance to show you how hard working I am, why don't you trust me? I said it lots of time, I don't care about OT, I can finish all the work before I go back home. Pls, don't just use one case to said all 80s or 90s people is not a good employer. Pls give more chance to us and trust us. Pls. I hate people to say, you are 80s ar !!!!

12:51 PM  
Blogger Robert Au said...

我認為問題不在於耐力, 或出生年份. 只係好簡單既興趣問題. 妳比較幸運, 搵到一份妳肯為佢付出weekend既工. 你嗰位80後就冇咁好彩.

而家社會單一化, 要搵份同自己興趣有關而又唔係金融related既工真係好難. 但生活逼人, 唔返工又唔得, 打份雞碎咁多既但自己鍾意既又唔夠用. 嗰種心情...

如果用感事來比喻事業可能易明D, 香港得番一種男人, 但唔係妳杯茶. 但生活逼人, 係要妳返工時間同佢一齊. weekend既時候妳都會閃人啦. 都未說服妳話感情(興趣)可以培養添.

後記,
文中提及上一代人, 上一代人可以小本創同自己興趣有關既舖頭, 生意又唔會比地產蠶食, 競爭又冇而家咁激烈, 生活又唔會被霸權壟斷, 時間一過, 成功係可以預見. 但係而家...

8:20 AM  
Blogger johnkoo said...

張小姐可能有一種恨鐵不成鋼的感覺, 所以各位八十後, 90後, 不用太大反應啊...

其實我隔離位有位剛剛出道的小伙子, 他很努力, 又很尊重我這個前輩, 很好啊 !

4:13 PM  
Blogger 新聞背後 said...

我寫的也是一個普遍現象, 當然凡事也有例外,有一些是努力的.
但8090後比較欠耐力是很普遍現象, 也是一個事實.

2:14 AM  
Blogger Tong said...

The younger generation is too optimistic to assume that the advanced technology can solve all their problems.

Actually, advanced technology has eliminated a lot of simple jobs (and created comparatively less more complicated jobs) that make the new generation even more difficult to survive.

2:32 AM  
Blogger alice said...

一直都很喜歡看張小姐的文章,但對於"80 後90後之我見",看了之後, 心中總有些不舒服。也許因為我是一個80後。

有一些青年人可能真的不長進, 很多人就會說80後是這樣的, 好像所有的80後就是這樣, 就因為他是80後,所以就不好了。會不會是一個很奇怪的邏輯?

可能80後比較欠耐力, 但同時可能他們也比他們的父母輩有別的優點,很可惜,我們的社會只喜歡去批評,而不是欣賞。

每個人都有不同的看法,我尊重不同人的看法。只是對於某些的看法, 我並不苟同。

4:48 AM  
Blogger Hoito said...

在大學教授這群八、九十後,我十分了解你的怨氣。這班"deserve to stay at the bottom of the social pile"的後生來說,經歷會考高考大學,浪費時間在沒有用的知識上,已經是最大的妥協和犧牲。
畢業不是保證成為專業人士嗎?怎麼還要受氣?現實世界怎麼會與學校課本所提倡的理想國不一樣?公義何存?真理何在?
究竟是他們不知道搵食艱難?還是教育制度對他們承諾過多?學習要愉快,畢業變專業。
抑或父母對他們照顧太多?安排實習,貼錢遊學。

作為老鬼,我想我們也需要了解這班「新工人」,應該讀讀Ron Alsop's The trophy kids grow up : how the millennial generation is shaking up the workplace (New York: The Wall Street Journal, 2008).

11:57 AM  
Blogger hkeric said...

如果你份工唔係”佢柸荼”,update facebook可能真係好痛苦.

resign,最大可能係搞到另一份好工姐,可能反六日tim.

resign講嘅野,有幾成係真?

過份stereotype,不可取

5:28 AM  
Blogger abc said...

誰說我們不是生存在戰爭年代? 80s 90s生活係精神戰場, 職場就是最大既戰場, 正如某保險廣告所講香港人一出世就係不斷賽跑至死! 上一代只要肯做一定餓唔死, 略加努力可望出人頭地。 反觀現世代肯做苦工, 但要先面對在職貧窮的職場環境, 再有文章中所講僱主要求既屢戰屢敗,亦要屢敗屢戰既奴隸式洗腦, 學歷貶值仍要不斷自我增值, 僱主要求24x7既工作時數, 一生戰鬥至世方休既人生戰場。天之嬌子既實習醫生也受醫管局主席訓話忍受高工時才是合理的工作態度, 80s 90s不超時工作是工作態度惡劣, 大學生不接受低過清潔工的月薪是不刻苦, 工餘不進修是懶散; 難道準時收工不是代表有效率? 員工長期超時工作, 僱主有否想過工作量是否合理? 合約定明五天工作月薪多少, 星期六日不做公司嘢就是不刻苦不肯蝕低, 香港精神就是算死草, 以刻薄員工為公司省錢是管理層首要知識, 要上位先要做奴隸。

身為香港人幾可悲, 一生中除了工作賺錢還有什麼?

11:00 AM  
Blogger 霸王海明 said...

楊懷康新書Pp109-113
香港精神。。全民起舞

4:11 PM  
Blogger professor.lee said...

人不是一隻牛,人各有志,不是逆來就要順受,不是上司叫你做咩便做咩,大家只要Yes Man的下屬嗎? 難道張寶華小姐你工作上遇到不稱心的事,只會說Yes,不會說No嗎? 請將心比己,易地而處,你雖說要求那位80後同事每星期利用半小時update facebbok,你試過每星期六日去做嗎? 公司佔用員工星期六日私人空間是理所當然,不願在這段時間工作就不死也沒用,是甚麼道理? 我相信不只80及90後,妳試問50後,要求他們每星期六日中午3時,利用15分鐘坐在電腦前工作,不能陪老婆及子女到處玩,一次兩次可能得,但我敢肯定,沒一個人願意作這樣的犧牲,他辭職也無可厚非,況且他可能找到一份更好的工,辭職理由十個有十個都是假,都是一個下台階,信就是太天真。

我都是老鬼一名,有時覺得50後的老鬼太高估自己,小看後輩,50後認為80、90後不思長進,不捱苦,其實80、90後說50後冇料到阻住地球轉

6:11 PM  
Blogger Baoyu said...

事先申報,小弟在英國工作八年,只學會兩件事: 尊重,以及work life balance

記得我最初在英國工作時,我請假返香港前跟老闆說聲: "你有事可打電話及email搵我" 然後他說: "when you in holiday its your holiday and I won't bother you, chill out and enjoy"

依妳所言,我老闆,及日後我遇過眾多的英國人,都應該很失敗.恕我無知,小姐是何許人?對著老外是企硬還是吃吃笑及叩頭?

8:21 PM  
Blogger Winston said...

I couldn't remember when this trend started where "overtime" has become the norm instead of the exception. It must have started around the 50's in Hong Kong, I guess. If not, I wouldn't understand how Ms Cheung can assume all overtime shouldn't be treated like any regular working hour with such a shock to her. She might not be borned in the 50's but she sure has inherited this mentality from people such as our health director Mr. York Chow who had recently made a similar remark about our doctors working in our public hospitals. This time Ms Cheung has just narrowed it down to the kids borned in the 80's and 90's. Again, like those doctors, these kids that were borned in the 80's and 90's do not know how to appreciate such 'heart-felt intent and 'I know better' advise.





To resign is just a subtle way to tell those in charge that there is a problem somewhere, likely between management and the worker whether it is communication or otherwise. A trained management personnel should pick it up right away instead of categorizing it as an attitude problem and making such shocking and disgraceful conclusion about him personally.



It is , without a doubt that the kids that were borned in the 80's and the 90's are comparatively better off than their predecessors because that was when the Hong Kong economy is expanding and developing. However, if Ms Cheung's observation is correct, she should be also aware that companies that are looking out for the employees benefit and their development are less and less. Down-sizing and technical replacements also diminished such commitment from companies to workers. It is a direct co-efficient.



Surely it is hard to afford having a house with less than ten thousand dollars a month salary, and may be that is why there is such a disturbed atmosphere in Hong Kong. If Ms Cheung's social and professional sense is sharp and accue enough, she should be aware that there is not as much government jobs these days as the 60s and the 70's where the government took in a whole bunch of then youngsters and trained them to be where our top officials are these days.



I believe what Ms Cheung said that the previous generation worked very hard, much harder than those that are borned in the 80's and 90's is right. Nonetheless, I also believe the one generation previous to the previous generation worked harder than the previous generation. This takes no bearing to Ms Cheung's statement that the 80's and the 90's are lazy and lack of will power. Books, we should read, but the report that you suggested, Ms Cheung should recommend to our CEO and the policy makers in Hong Kong.



Give these youngsters the benefit of the doubt. I believe that these 80' and 90's kids know very well success do not come easy giving what a rough time they are facing at present. We should not add salt to wounds as I believe that you have also gone through a tough time to become what you are, Ms. Cheung.






May be what you have described is true, if what you consider what life is also true, we have invisible battles all over and around us, tell us, Ms Cheung, are you our comrade or are you our enemy?

10:31 PM  
Blogger c9 said...

好多醫生及護士同事,有50後、60後、70後及80後,包括我在內,因為頂唔順公院壓力大,轉去私家醫院,我們就係咪好似張寶華小姐所講既捱唔住呢...你係咪只會話晒80及90後唔夠耐力,唔爭氣呢,不過我想你唔經歷過咩叫做捱,所以唔明白。唔係對80後及90後有偏見,你咁樣只會被舊思想阻礙你

有D同事捱唔住就當然係假,轉工搵藉口,係人都識,轉一轉私家醫院有發展,人工加5成,比你都走啦,唔通走時同阿頂講,人地加咁多,你個度冇發展咩,比下面先咁講,唔好太認真

1:22 AM  
Blogger c said...

八九十後不配拿一萬元人工,難道八十前的一班呃飯食,吹水多過做,與世界脫節的嘍囉就配拿幾萬元一個月,他們就值得有車有樓?

唔係以偏概全,有好多八十前比八九十後更懶,更唔負責任,只因為佢地死好命早上岸,泊到好碼頭,其實佢地有好多野都唔職,脫晒節,又以為好多野眼見就好易,講就天花龍鳳,電影改一個音以為10秒就完成,佢地永遠唔知背後要搵人重錄迫,剪接,調音,Rendering,分分鐘搞成幾日,佢地只要一句「我唔理咁,你死掂佢」,唔夠5分鐘轉頭問搞掂未,究竟係咪傻很左,又一味將責任推卸落下面,自己就印印腳星期六日休息,扮到自己好多野做,搞到八九十後星期六日做到隻狗賣晒命,做唔切又比人煎蝦拆蟹,難道這是道理嗎

7:20 PM  
Blogger 陳大文部落 said...

事實上,妳這篇文章所講述的八十後工作態度,類似事例我親身也感受過、聽過見過,簡單來說,由於八十後普遍認為自己是「新時代救世主」,大前提是社會欠了他們,再加上八十後世界只會和同輩人「分享悲情心得」,八十後總會認為,所有錯都是社會的錯,社會欠了他們所有東西,一出世就盤算「你地有咩俾我」,而不是「我可以做什麼、怎樣多勞多得」,「多勞多得」在八十後而言,會覺得是上代人(包括 4,5,6 70後)的霸權借口,並且很抗拒和其他世代人溝通,這很合理,因為八十後自命「新人類救世者」嘛,又怎會願意和其他(較低等)世代人共處呢?

不過,話說回來,貴公司日後聘請員工時,也應該避免請這類垃圾,Sorry,應該叫「未必勝任的員工」,以免搞到工作一鑊粥,自己受氣,又大堆手尾,非常麻煩。

八十後也普遍認為上幾代人易上位、不願意給後輩機會等等,但六、七十後多半已成功接棒,八十後的所謂埋怨,通常是個人問題大於前輩問題,例如開口得罪人,辦事一塌胡塗,並且以「打倒上代人」為目標,既然如此,上代人又怎能讓位給一心敵對自己的人呢?

社會不是八十後擁有,也不是八十後才會遇到問題,八十後並非社會的唯一,放不開偏執和自大,註定一生在怨憤中渡日。

6:28 AM  
Blogger chi lung lau said...

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女性有女人的之苦.
共苦患難,不爭富貴.
之为甘之飴盡.

8:35 AM  
Blogger Catitude said...

香港人最弊的, 是已上位的人, 總是要求後來的人做那些下欄東西, 還以為是為教叻後者。其實所批評的,很小事而已,稍為付一點耐性教一教、鼓勵一下,甚至是管理人耍點管理技巧就搞定了。但最關鍵是,我們的年青人不斷被要求在下欄東西上出賣青春, 社會怎可能進步?

本人是七十後, 可能比張小姐還年長。曾經蒙不少前輩耐心包容、悉心指導兼大膽信任, 才能在職位尚低時為當時公司實踐一些公司開業以來廿年未做過的事。現在本人看同輩中有不少人可能不及我幸運未遇過好前輩,竟習得一股酸腐,對晚輩毫無愛惜, 我覺得是因此香港才會有人才斷層。

5:37 AM  
Blogger koubu911 said...

不是每一位80後都像妳所說那樣的, 妳的想法實在給我一種一竹蒿打沉一船人的感覺, 還有甚麼"不死也沒用"這種言辭, 怎樣說也不像是一位斯文人所說的話, 望閣下收回. 小弟也是一位80後, 要明白不是每一位80後都有空間去揮霍自己的青春, 不是每一位80後都希望呆頭呆腦的過日子, 忍耐是小弟覺得身為人最重要的Virtue. 英國學者George Granville說過: Patience is the virtue of an ass, who treads beneath his burden and complains not. 不是每一位80後都不懂得忍耐的. 剛進職場的我, 未畢業已經知道工作經驗是日積月累回來的, 即是現在的工作怎麼不討好, 也要將之視為跳板, 視為抓住將來的籌碼. 小弟也不介意透露自己是海外大學畢業的, 回流香港只混得一份客服的工作, 跟自己的理想相差甚遠, 那又如何? 撇去富二代不算(儘管心中還是對他們又妒又恨), 誰人一開始就可以住大樓, 開名車的? 小弟知道自己不只是當客服的材料那麼簡單, 只是萬丈高樓從地起, 只得忍耐, 面對上司那句已分不清是正問句還是rhetorical question的"你今晚可唔可以開OT?"也只是忍氣吞聲. 人家給我一萬元薪水, 不幹足萬二元的工作, 是沒有辦法說服人家稍後給我萬二元薪水的. 如果公司不肯給這樣的員工加薪, 或許這個世界會有伯樂會懂得這樣做. 如果閣下認為那位80後不值得你挽留的, 或許他真的有做得不對的地方, 還望他是真的做得不對, 而不是被閣下腦下內的一些偏見FILTER掉他所作出的貢獻跟努力. 每個人都希望得到自己想要的東西, 但絕大部份的人都不能將之垂手可得, 是要付出努力, 跟忍耐的.
另外, 我還是想說一句...香港的經濟...有一部份我還是認為是老闆壓榨員工壓出來的, 員工怕丟掉飯碗, 只得言聽計從, 老闆就對這種恐懼心態加以利用, 久而久之就成了習慣. 對於員工來說, 一分耕耘得不到一分收獲, 的確是很洩氣的. 聽過一位剛相識的朋友說她的故事, 聞說她所做的公司因為會計員職位長期懸空, 以致她一入職就要跟一箱箱(對, 是數以箱計)的帳單血拼, 第一個月已經OT了四十小時, 支薪只是補了10小時OT的人工, 試問能怎樣投訴? 香港的老闆其實那種當員工是馬, 自己是騎師, 前面放著蘿蔔令馬兒一直傻呼呼向前跑的心態...其實, 實在有點不要得, 跟員工分享勞動成果是應該的. 還有就是, 身為老闆的, 我認為不應該有架子, 身先士卒以激勵員工士氣我認為是應該的, 我不知道, 希望閣下就是這種跟員工在同一條戰線打併, 流血, 殺敵的人.

6:56 PM  
Blogger Gordon said...

haha...you make me day. you are in the group with >80 in the eyes of >50.
Is time to down to earth.

8:10 AM  
Blogger Ivan said...

只是他的戰場不在你這裡罷了.

你心目中的"成功"也未必是他人想要的成功.

5:41 PM  

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